1 00:00:37,750 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:42,790 explode the bazaar or e-ticket ride into 3 00:00:48,010 --> 00:00:44,710 the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:52,319 --> 00:00:48,020 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:55,439 --> 00:00:52,329 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:00:57,820 --> 00:00:55,449 ghosts Lost Worlds 7 00:01:01,660 --> 00:00:57,830 cryptozoology waters as well as other 8 00:01:06,790 --> 00:01:01,670 dimensions it's time to take back the 9 00:01:09,910 --> 00:01:06,800 night now you are electrifying hosts of 10 00:01:14,940 --> 00:01:09,920 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 11 00:01:21,430 --> 00:01:18,310 what's with the butterfly death are we 12 00:01:22,330 --> 00:01:21,440 hunting for some lost species along in 13 00:01:25,180 --> 00:01:22,340 the Philippines 14 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:25,190 oh come on you know sometimes you you 15 00:01:31,389 --> 00:01:28,970 ask to get most bizarre questions uh-huh 16 00:01:33,969 --> 00:01:31,399 not really I don't know a darn thing 17 00:01:36,639 --> 00:01:33,979 about butterflies we're trying to grab 18 00:01:38,290 --> 00:01:36,649 anything turned normal all right yes 19 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:38,300 tonight says she has had a lifetime of 20 00:01:42,940 --> 00:01:40,850 paranormal experiences and I figured 21 00:01:44,499 --> 00:01:42,950 maybe we can scoop up one or two to add 22 00:01:50,050 --> 00:01:44,509 to the ghostly notches on our own 23 00:01:53,260 --> 00:01:50,060 psychic Hunters belt okay that seems to 24 00:01:57,130 --> 00:01:53,270 be kind of a weird way of going about it 25 00:02:00,699 --> 00:01:57,140 if you ask me I sincerely doubt will 26 00:02:02,979 --> 00:02:00,709 latch on to anything anything paranormal 27 00:02:05,410 --> 00:02:02,989 this way Oh 28 00:02:07,540 --> 00:02:05,420 think positive think positive Tim we're 29 00:02:10,210 --> 00:02:07,550 getting closer closer to the portal up 30 00:02:13,030 --> 00:02:10,220 ahead and if we play our cards right who 31 00:02:16,089 --> 00:02:13,040 knows what we will encounter 32 00:02:19,510 --> 00:02:16,099 I can see Bigfoot and UFOs and a ghostly 33 00:02:21,790 --> 00:02:19,520 shadow type figures I sure the hell hope 34 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:21,800 a butterfly net is the only thing we'll 35 00:02:27,850 --> 00:02:24,290 need I think I'd rather be back at the 36 00:02:31,110 --> 00:02:27,860 KC of our radio studio and instead of 37 00:02:34,030 --> 00:02:31,120 confronting some some green ants Martian 38 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:34,040 yeah you just don't like green asses I 39 00:02:39,250 --> 00:02:36,890 guess no all right well let's let's get 40 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:39,260 through that portal and and and and back 41 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:42,170 to Vegas and the hookup with the Tina 42 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:45,769 and get the show on the road watch out 43 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:48,250 for that butterflying that don't lose it 44 00:02:53,110 --> 00:02:51,050 we battle Tim 45 00:02:53,950 --> 00:02:53,120 I think we just squeeze through the 46 00:02:56,470 --> 00:02:53,960 portal ooh 47 00:03:00,970 --> 00:02:56,480 squeeze through something hey I did we 48 00:03:03,970 --> 00:03:00,980 did we dragged any entities with us let 49 00:03:07,510 --> 00:03:03,980 me see here nope not this time 50 00:03:10,180 --> 00:03:07,520 Oh shucks and it was a I thought it was 51 00:03:15,250 --> 00:03:10,190 a big enough butterflying that but I get 52 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:15,260 I guess I guess not well I was always so 53 00:03:21,670 --> 00:03:17,450 I I see I hear you've had some bad 54 00:03:24,430 --> 00:03:21,680 storms out there yes it's you know 55 00:03:27,340 --> 00:03:24,440 there's a I guess I like what's called 56 00:03:30,070 --> 00:03:27,350 what a psych cyclonic system that's 57 00:03:32,410 --> 00:03:30,080 further to the west and north of us that 58 00:03:35,980 --> 00:03:32,420 socking the central part of the country 59 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:35,990 with snow lots of snow and every win 60 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:40,370 well further to the west where we are we 61 00:03:44,950 --> 00:03:43,370 get thunderstorms and tornadoes so yeah 62 00:03:47,980 --> 00:03:44,960 there is that that's March in Indiana 63 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:47,990 for you well it certainly can't be a 64 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:51,770 part of climate change because we all 65 00:03:58,300 --> 00:03:54,410 know there is no such there's no such 66 00:04:03,790 --> 00:03:58,310 thing nope nothing nothing to see her 67 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:03,800 folks move along what are we discussing 68 00:04:10,930 --> 00:04:06,730 tonight what's our what's on our agenda 69 00:04:14,620 --> 00:04:10,940 well we're talking about paranormal 70 00:04:19,150 --> 00:04:14,630 experiences I gather that yeah yeah yeah 71 00:04:20,860 --> 00:04:19,160 yeah well you know I think that you know 72 00:04:23,530 --> 00:04:20,870 and I've said this before in other shows 73 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:23,540 I think that everybody at one point or 74 00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:26,510 another in their life has had some kind 75 00:04:31,630 --> 00:04:29,120 of paranormal experience some people 76 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:31,640 more than just one which you know that's 77 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:32,750 that's one of the things we're gonna 78 00:04:39,340 --> 00:04:34,910 bring up on tonight's show you know a 79 00:04:42,330 --> 00:04:39,350 lot of people they they avoid they avoid 80 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:42,340 that you know they they try to reason 81 00:04:47,620 --> 00:04:44,810 themselves out of it oh well you know 82 00:04:49,870 --> 00:04:47,630 it's you know the light just you know 83 00:04:51,820 --> 00:04:49,880 had a bad fuse or the dog was just 84 00:04:56,370 --> 00:04:51,830 barking at nothing you know that that 85 00:04:58,780 --> 00:04:56,380 sort of thing but our guest tonight she 86 00:05:01,510 --> 00:04:58,790 she'll talk about not only her own 87 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:01,520 experiences but the experiences of 88 00:05:05,630 --> 00:05:03,450 others that have led 89 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:05,640 um you know some of these experiences 90 00:05:11,050 --> 00:05:07,730 have been life-altering some of them 91 00:05:14,450 --> 00:05:11,060 terrifying all of them though are 92 00:05:17,890 --> 00:05:14,460 unexplainable mm-hmm well we like the 93 00:05:20,810 --> 00:05:17,900 unexplained and we like the bizarre and 94 00:05:23,540 --> 00:05:20,820 so go ahead continue all right 95 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:23,550 well our guest tonight and this is the 96 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:27,330 first time that that Adlai has Adele 97 00:05:36,110 --> 00:05:32,610 sorry Adele has been on we have on Dale 98 00:05:39,380 --> 00:05:36,120 Roca now Adele has traveled extensively 99 00:05:42,110 --> 00:05:39,390 to over 26 countries and has compiled 100 00:05:45,020 --> 00:05:42,120 accounts of terrifying and uncanny 101 00:05:47,750 --> 00:05:45,030 experiences in both her native country 102 00:05:51,950 --> 00:05:47,760 of the Philippines and abroad now Adele 103 00:05:55,610 --> 00:05:51,960 started as Eliza Simon in Episode two of 104 00:05:58,130 --> 00:05:55,620 the pilot UFOs over earth while she was 105 00:06:00,170 --> 00:05:58,140 a field investigator from MUFON her 106 00:06:02,710 --> 00:06:00,180 personal experiences with the bizarre 107 00:06:05,450 --> 00:06:02,720 has led to a lifetime quest 108 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:05,460 investigating sightings and paranormal 109 00:06:10,580 --> 00:06:08,490 events through I witness reports now 110 00:06:13,460 --> 00:06:10,590 Adele is a screenwriter of science 111 00:06:15,230 --> 00:06:13,470 fiction and horror with over 11th green 112 00:06:17,030 --> 00:06:15,240 place which have been placed in 113 00:06:19,460 --> 00:06:17,040 competitions in the United States 114 00:06:21,380 --> 00:06:19,470 and she's adapted for the screen books 115 00:06:23,630 --> 00:06:21,390 by Philip Merrill and Paul Stonehill 116 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:23,640 good friends of ours who are Pramod 117 00:06:30,020 --> 00:06:26,610 investigators hmm and authors in the 118 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:30,030 field of ufology now her book is called 119 00:06:35,090 --> 00:06:33,090 portal a lifetime of paranormal 120 00:06:42,140 --> 00:06:35,100 experiences this is her first book and 121 00:06:44,990 --> 00:06:42,150 it's a compilation sorry of eyewitness 122 00:06:49,070 --> 00:06:45,000 accounts and her own personal encounters 123 00:06:51,770 --> 00:06:49,080 with the unknown and terrified now Adele 124 00:06:55,010 --> 00:06:51,780 is a trained therapist an amateur travel 125 00:06:57,500 --> 00:06:55,020 photographer and we're very happy to 126 00:07:01,370 --> 00:06:57,510 have her tonight's on exploring the 127 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:01,380 bizarre so welcome welcome Adele hi Tim 128 00:07:11,060 --> 00:07:08,370 and Tim and you know I I hope you have 129 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:11,070 better success than we have with some 130 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:13,050 screenplays I just received the check 131 00:07:19,670 --> 00:07:17,130 today and I sent you over you're at your 132 00:07:22,450 --> 00:07:19,680 for a movie we did well we have to admit 133 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:22,460 it's been about 10 years ago now but the 134 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:31,900 [Laughter] 135 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:35,970 in after all you know this is a and one 136 00:07:41,810 --> 00:07:37,970 of the few artists the distributors of 137 00:07:45,740 --> 00:07:41,820 low-budget DVDs he does continue to pay 138 00:07:48,140 --> 00:07:45,750 as opposed to others who never even said 139 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:48,150 it's $22 I don't know yeah what are you 140 00:07:53,540 --> 00:07:50,310 going to do but that's the either here 141 00:07:57,530 --> 00:07:53,550 nor there why did I want to ask you why 142 00:07:59,330 --> 00:07:57,540 did you put the the word portal in your 143 00:08:03,770 --> 00:07:59,340 title does it have a particular meaning 144 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:03,780 to you well when I started writing the 145 00:08:10,550 --> 00:08:07,650 book what I thought we had in common 146 00:08:13,340 --> 00:08:10,560 with all the different encounters from 147 00:08:18,290 --> 00:08:13,350 different people was the fact that all 148 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:18,300 these beings entities aliens and whatnot 149 00:08:25,460 --> 00:08:20,160 we're all coming from a different 150 00:08:27,650 --> 00:08:25,470 dimension yeah when I think about a 151 00:08:30,020 --> 00:08:27,660 different dimension I always think about 152 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:30,030 them coming through something like a 153 00:08:36,409 --> 00:08:34,169 wormhole you know and I think someone 154 00:08:39,529 --> 00:08:36,419 even talked about how you know some of 155 00:08:42,890 --> 00:08:39,539 these aliens come through from totally 156 00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:42,900 different galaxies and in order to get 157 00:08:48,980 --> 00:08:45,120 here on time they have to enter a 158 00:08:51,940 --> 00:08:48,990 wormhole and to me probably the more 159 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:51,950 common term that would be a portal like 160 00:08:59,900 --> 00:08:55,650 a door you know coming from the other 161 00:09:03,050 --> 00:08:59,910 side of the veil so whatever nature they 162 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:03,060 have I think they're coming to us from 163 00:09:09,890 --> 00:09:06,530 another dimension or another type of 164 00:09:12,050 --> 00:09:09,900 reality so that's what here's a here's a 165 00:09:20,390 --> 00:09:12,060 question here's a question for you do 166 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:20,400 they know each other course I didn't get 167 00:09:23,570 --> 00:09:22,890 to this position from you know just by 168 00:09:27,230 --> 00:09:23,580 luck 169 00:09:28,330 --> 00:09:27,240 maybe this my good looks yeah look I 170 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:28,340 said luck yes 171 00:09:33,330 --> 00:09:30,510 [Laughter] 172 00:09:36,180 --> 00:09:33,340 so you know the book talks about 173 00:09:38,610 --> 00:09:36,190 different experiences as you've stated 174 00:09:41,060 --> 00:09:38,620 that was something that I had compiled 175 00:09:45,050 --> 00:09:41,070 and the book is in chronological order 176 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:45,060 starting from right after World War two 177 00:09:50,940 --> 00:09:48,130 of a family following them through a 178 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:50,950 couple of generations and finally 179 00:09:55,620 --> 00:09:53,530 halfway through the book I switch to 180 00:09:59,510 --> 00:09:55,630 different accounts from different people 181 00:10:03,360 --> 00:09:59,520 and then people from all over the world 182 00:10:05,670 --> 00:10:03,370 you know I've traveled a lot and I think 183 00:10:08,850 --> 00:10:05,680 because I am open to this kind of 184 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:08,860 information I meet people who are of the 185 00:10:15,870 --> 00:10:13,570 same vibe so to speak you know they hear 186 00:10:18,690 --> 00:10:15,880 about stories and they ask me what are 187 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:18,700 you write about you know and at the time 188 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:20,560 I was writing screenplays so I tell them 189 00:10:23,850 --> 00:10:22,330 that and oh you know that's so 190 00:10:25,530 --> 00:10:23,860 interesting and so different and 191 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:25,540 everything else you know if you're 192 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:27,310 talking about like UFOs I had this 193 00:10:33,860 --> 00:10:30,310 experience etc etc and then it also led 194 00:10:38,190 --> 00:10:33,870 to stories about you know strange 195 00:10:40,020 --> 00:10:38,200 hauntings ghosts and demonic stuff so 196 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:40,030 that's how the book came about and 197 00:10:45,870 --> 00:10:42,130 eventually I just compiled them all I 198 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:45,880 always carry a notebook with me and then 199 00:10:50,970 --> 00:10:48,370 you know eventually I sat down and 200 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:50,980 started to just put them all together 201 00:10:57,470 --> 00:10:55,210 and there you have it now are are these 202 00:11:00,780 --> 00:10:57,480 I know you sent me some material 203 00:11:03,990 --> 00:11:00,790 recently which I'm going to use in a a 204 00:11:06,330 --> 00:11:04,000 book on it's kind of negative posting 205 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:06,340 poltergeists and ghosts and things that 206 00:11:14,210 --> 00:11:09,690 we do not have go bump in the the night 207 00:11:17,610 --> 00:11:14,220 you you found these entities to be a 208 00:11:20,580 --> 00:11:17,620 mixed bag I mean are some of them kind 209 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:20,590 of benevolent or some of them pretty 210 00:11:25,470 --> 00:11:22,930 negative out there and some of them 211 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:25,480 don't even know we're around let me 212 00:11:32,190 --> 00:11:29,650 digress I I remember the evening when I 213 00:11:35,250 --> 00:11:32,200 sent you those two chapters from the 214 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:35,260 book yes right I know originally my 215 00:11:42,980 --> 00:11:38,050 publisher had sent you the PDF of the 216 00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:42,990 entire and I know that was pretty big so 217 00:11:48,139 --> 00:11:45,540 when I sat down that evening after you 218 00:11:53,860 --> 00:11:48,149 know we were I think we were chatting by 219 00:11:57,230 --> 00:11:53,870 email I then went back to my den and 220 00:12:00,889 --> 00:11:57,240 this was later in the evening and I was 221 00:12:05,199 --> 00:12:00,899 actually trying to look for the word 222 00:12:09,170 --> 00:12:05,209 format of the book what was really a 223 00:12:11,810 --> 00:12:09,180 little unusual about that was I wouldn't 224 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:11,820 say unusual it actually is kind of 225 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:14,250 bizarre is that I had difficulty number 226 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:17,310 one looking for it and then when I did 227 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:20,010 find those two chapters I just sensed a 228 00:12:26,660 --> 00:12:22,970 presence in the room 229 00:12:29,060 --> 00:12:26,670 this is not to scare you or anything I 230 00:12:31,730 --> 00:12:29,070 think I followed that with a footnote 231 00:12:34,970 --> 00:12:31,740 after I said that I might have made the 232 00:12:37,610 --> 00:12:34,980 comment to Tim Schwartz actually not 233 00:12:41,269 --> 00:12:37,620 like there was something behind me or 234 00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:41,279 next to me as I was trying to type away 235 00:12:47,420 --> 00:12:44,310 and trying to highlight the two chapters 236 00:12:50,810 --> 00:12:47,430 to send to you so you know it things 237 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:50,820 happen and for some reason and this is 238 00:12:55,670 --> 00:12:52,770 just my belief my theory is that 239 00:12:58,550 --> 00:12:55,680 sometimes when we delve in these things 240 00:13:00,800 --> 00:12:58,560 that are negative is in the case of this 241 00:13:03,139 --> 00:13:00,810 particular story that you're talking 242 00:13:07,420 --> 00:13:03,149 about and of course I'll tell you what 243 00:13:12,069 --> 00:13:07,430 the story is if you'd like me to is that 244 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:12,079 you know we we draw the energy to us 245 00:13:19,940 --> 00:13:15,930 whatever that energy is because somehow 246 00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:19,950 we're interested in it and just by the 247 00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:22,680 act of being interested in it and 248 00:13:28,699 --> 00:13:23,760 discussing it 249 00:13:31,490 --> 00:13:28,709 you know we attract those type of beings 250 00:13:33,620 --> 00:13:31,500 I guess that's why a lot of people are 251 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:33,630 led to believe that they should stay 252 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:35,970 clear of the Ouija board although I 253 00:13:40,180 --> 00:13:38,010 don't see I don't I haven't found that 254 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:40,190 to be the the case if you set up a 255 00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:44,490 protective barrier around you and follow 256 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:46,560 the right you know a formula for a 257 00:13:52,010 --> 00:13:50,250 positive communication you're not very 258 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:52,020 likely to get well you know there's 259 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:53,730 there's all sorts of entities floating 260 00:13:56,750 --> 00:13:55,170 around out there and I guess they are 261 00:13:59,780 --> 00:13:56,760 looking for the Opera 262 00:14:03,620 --> 00:13:59,790 you need to you know come through here 263 00:14:05,930 --> 00:14:03,630 and in a lot of cases tease us right lie 264 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:05,940 lie to us but some of them on the other 265 00:14:10,820 --> 00:14:08,730 hand seem to be very benevolent I mean 266 00:14:12,650 --> 00:14:10,830 we've heard of cases who've been cases 267 00:14:14,570 --> 00:14:12,660 of people who have been healed by aliens 268 00:14:18,170 --> 00:14:14,580 and spirits and angels and things along 269 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:18,180 that line right yeah yeah right have you 270 00:14:24,410 --> 00:14:21,570 ever tried to you EG board have you oh I 271 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:24,420 have yes yes now most most of the time 272 00:14:30,830 --> 00:14:26,490 it's just been total gibberish and a 273 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:30,840 waste of time to be honest with you I 274 00:14:37,610 --> 00:14:35,610 don't find such my psychic ability has 275 00:14:39,230 --> 00:14:37,620 been hunches that just hit me right you 276 00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:39,240 know smack dab in you say it and it's 277 00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:42,720 there and that's that but I've had 278 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:45,120 friends who like to sit around and and 279 00:14:49,310 --> 00:14:47,010 and put a little talcum powder on the 280 00:14:52,670 --> 00:14:49,320 board and the Incept it with a you know 281 00:14:54,260 --> 00:14:52,680 a brewer or two and and spend you know 282 00:14:57,500 --> 00:14:54,270 the good part of the evening trying to 283 00:15:00,350 --> 00:14:57,510 contact this spirit and on occasion at 284 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:00,360 least one occasion a friend of my lady 285 00:15:04,820 --> 00:15:02,910 friend of mine who's now a deceased 286 00:15:07,610 --> 00:15:04,830 Vivian st. John she was a well-known 287 00:15:10,070 --> 00:15:07,620 professional wrestler we did it we did 288 00:15:12,020 --> 00:15:10,080 have a contact in the communication that 289 00:15:16,070 --> 00:15:12,030 actually told us what had happened to 290 00:15:18,580 --> 00:15:16,080 her her husband she was separated at the 291 00:15:21,380 --> 00:15:18,590 time but he was staying at their 292 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:21,390 apartment I don't know if because he had 293 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:23,010 disappeared he said he was going to be 294 00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:25,050 home on a particular day and he didn't 295 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:27,120 and the board told us what had happened 296 00:15:30,260 --> 00:15:28,770 that he had been in the minor accident 297 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:30,270 and and that ended up in the hospital 298 00:15:34,460 --> 00:15:32,490 and this little town in upstate New York 299 00:15:36,050 --> 00:15:34,470 and lo and behold when he walked through 300 00:15:36,890 --> 00:15:36,060 the door with a bandage on his forehead 301 00:15:38,930 --> 00:15:36,900 and when he asked him what had happened 302 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:38,940 and he told us a story which is pretty 303 00:15:44,330 --> 00:15:41,310 much identical to what the Ouija board 304 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:44,340 told us and there was a lot more to it 305 00:15:47,420 --> 00:15:46,380 I've written up the the experiences 306 00:15:51,020 --> 00:15:47,430 floating around somewhere on the 307 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:51,030 internet and probably in our blog I 308 00:15:56,210 --> 00:15:53,310 think Tim right but anyway we want to 309 00:15:58,070 --> 00:15:56,220 hear about your your experiences as well 310 00:16:01,910 --> 00:15:58,080 so why don't you tell us this story 311 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:01,920 that's going to be in the book okay so 312 00:16:07,310 --> 00:16:04,890 the book opens with you know the 313 00:16:10,940 --> 00:16:07,320 background of the Philippines it's a 314 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:10,950 little-known destination usually 315 00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:13,410 people associated with a tropical 316 00:16:20,990 --> 00:16:18,480 paradise its its strategically right in 317 00:16:23,870 --> 00:16:21,000 the middle of Asia which is important to 318 00:16:26,930 --> 00:16:23,880 remember when you think about World War 319 00:16:28,820 --> 00:16:26,940 two that not to bore you but I'll give 320 00:16:31,580 --> 00:16:28,830 you a little bit of a background about 321 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:31,590 how this country was affected by World 322 00:16:37,700 --> 00:16:33,770 War two 323 00:16:42,890 --> 00:16:37,710 around the same time that Europe and the 324 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:42,900 US was engaged with the devastation of 325 00:16:49,510 --> 00:16:47,010 the Holocaust and it's aftermath the 326 00:16:53,210 --> 00:16:49,520 Philippines was struggling with its own 327 00:16:58,070 --> 00:16:53,220 and the enemy at the time was the 328 00:17:02,890 --> 00:16:58,080 Japanese so the war which I understand 329 00:17:05,930 --> 00:17:02,900 began back 1938 and didn't end until 45 330 00:17:07,819 --> 00:17:05,940 pretty much because it was a very small 331 00:17:12,290 --> 00:17:07,829 country pretty much devastated the 332 00:17:15,170 --> 00:17:12,300 entire country it was very very tragic a 333 00:17:19,130 --> 00:17:15,180 lot of families were separated a lot of 334 00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:19,140 people were murdered butchered massacred 335 00:17:25,579 --> 00:17:20,880 taken out of their homes their 336 00:17:29,930 --> 00:17:25,589 properties destroyed in the aftermath of 337 00:17:32,420 --> 00:17:29,940 that and and this is you know something 338 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:32,430 that I've heard repeatedly and read 339 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:35,760 about is that every time you have events 340 00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:38,370 that unfold that are incredibly 341 00:17:47,290 --> 00:17:43,110 traumatic violent tragic that alters 342 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:47,300 people's lives forever what you end up 343 00:17:56,690 --> 00:17:52,050 our just immense areas where hauntings 344 00:18:00,440 --> 00:17:56,700 occur because these are people whose 345 00:18:04,660 --> 00:18:00,450 lives were totally destroyed just like 346 00:18:09,020 --> 00:18:04,670 that and and the violence leaves 347 00:18:09,890 --> 00:18:09,030 everything in devastation and for years 348 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:09,900 and years 349 00:18:18,650 --> 00:18:14,970 you see hauntings so we now go into an 350 00:18:22,370 --> 00:18:18,660 area at the aftermath of war where 351 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:22,380 there's tremendous rebuilding 352 00:18:28,250 --> 00:18:25,890 and not just manila which is the central 353 00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:28,260 hub the metropolis but also the 354 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:30,720 surrounding areas where there's a 355 00:18:36,380 --> 00:18:33,809 cluster of little towns one of those 356 00:18:40,669 --> 00:18:36,390 little towns is called San Juan and it's 357 00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:40,679 probably about 50 miles outside of 358 00:18:47,779 --> 00:18:44,220 Manila so it's kind of like similar to 359 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:47,789 the distance between Philadelphia and 360 00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:49,770 you know the little towns in Bucks 361 00:18:57,380 --> 00:18:54,720 County so when when you look at that 362 00:18:59,419 --> 00:18:57,390 little town and the rebuilding of it 363 00:19:01,659 --> 00:18:59,429 there is a particular family who's 364 00:19:05,539 --> 00:19:01,669 trying to put their lives together and 365 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:05,549 there's at this point six children in 366 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:06,530 the family 367 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:09,690 the gentleman who is the head of the 368 00:19:16,580 --> 00:19:11,970 family as a medical doctor he was 369 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:16,590 involved in the war in a MASH unit his 370 00:19:23,330 --> 00:19:20,250 wife was a dentist and she saw part of 371 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:23,340 the war but at the time her children 372 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:27,090 were small and one of her children who 373 00:19:35,230 --> 00:19:31,130 is the second to the oldest had already 374 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:35,240 experienced her own ghostly in encounter 375 00:19:44,409 --> 00:19:39,650 when she was still a young child so 376 00:19:51,289 --> 00:19:44,419 during the war as they were fleeing the 377 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:51,299 Japanese this woman fled with her at the 378 00:19:58,880 --> 00:19:55,370 time for children and they went north 379 00:20:01,850 --> 00:19:58,890 they were fleeing on foot hitching rides 380 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:01,860 doing what they can you know it was just 381 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:05,850 all total chaos while her husband was in 382 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:10,049 the forces and had joined a mass unit as 383 00:20:16,580 --> 00:20:12,510 she went up north she encountered a huge 384 00:20:19,690 --> 00:20:16,590 convent the convent had already been 385 00:20:22,399 --> 00:20:19,700 plundered and when I say plundered 386 00:20:27,380 --> 00:20:22,409 obviously you know soldiers were in 387 00:20:31,010 --> 00:20:27,390 there had ransacked it and there was 388 00:20:33,370 --> 00:20:31,020 nothing left the nuns were gone the 389 00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:33,380 convent had been abandoned in whatever 390 00:20:39,589 --> 00:20:35,940 devastation they did to it 391 00:20:41,649 --> 00:20:39,599 it now sits empty with the d'être test 392 00:20:45,559 --> 00:20:41,659 of war 393 00:20:50,209 --> 00:20:45,569 furnitures broken things are strewn 394 00:20:53,299 --> 00:20:50,219 about into this she managed to open the 395 00:20:55,459 --> 00:20:53,309 door that was partly broken and she 396 00:20:58,819 --> 00:20:55,469 entered with her children and they were 397 00:21:01,039 --> 00:20:58,829 at this point starving since they had 398 00:21:03,889 --> 00:21:01,049 already depleted whatever food they had 399 00:21:07,459 --> 00:21:03,899 brought with them their intention was to 400 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:07,469 find shelter for the night a place where 401 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:11,849 they could hide away from whatever could 402 00:21:17,930 --> 00:21:15,089 be out there until they could keep 403 00:21:22,129 --> 00:21:17,940 proceeding north and finally maybe join 404 00:21:25,549 --> 00:21:22,139 some people they know as they were 405 00:21:28,009 --> 00:21:25,559 looking around this huge building which 406 00:21:33,949 --> 00:21:28,019 is made of stone in its Spanish style 407 00:21:36,529 --> 00:21:33,959 with huge windows the younger child the 408 00:21:39,169 --> 00:21:36,539 second - the younger child she was a 409 00:21:42,619 --> 00:21:39,179 little bit more carefree a little bit 410 00:21:45,979 --> 00:21:42,629 more rebellious I guess is the word to 411 00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:45,989 use she decided to wander off on her own 412 00:21:50,949 --> 00:21:47,940 and you got to remember this is now 413 00:21:55,369 --> 00:21:50,959 later in the evening night had fallen 414 00:21:59,079 --> 00:21:55,379 and the mother pretty much was trying to 415 00:22:01,849 --> 00:21:59,089 find a way to get her children 416 00:22:05,509 --> 00:22:01,859 comfortable and then maybe forage for 417 00:22:07,969 --> 00:22:05,519 whatever food they could find the 418 00:22:11,959 --> 00:22:07,979 convent was in the middle of a wooded 419 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:11,969 area and back then the Philippines had 420 00:22:18,829 --> 00:22:16,169 mostly dirt roads because they you know 421 00:22:24,099 --> 00:22:18,839 they were still kind of in the early 422 00:22:26,719 --> 00:22:24,109 stages and the Spanish after 423 00:22:28,999 --> 00:22:26,729 colonization for a number of years 400 424 00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,009 years there was still a very strong 425 00:22:34,489 --> 00:22:31,679 influence to use carriages horses and 426 00:22:38,809 --> 00:22:34,499 things of that nature so they were just 427 00:22:43,369 --> 00:22:38,819 using motorcars at that point they did 428 00:22:46,729 --> 00:22:43,379 not own one at the time and she had to 429 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:46,739 travel on foot so while inside the 430 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:49,049 convent she was trying to settle the 431 00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:49,850 other to reach 432 00:22:54,580 --> 00:22:51,380 and she didn't even think to look for 433 00:22:57,490 --> 00:22:54,590 the fourth that had wandered off and the 434 00:22:59,740 --> 00:22:57,500 child had gone upstairs actually to 435 00:23:02,250 --> 00:22:59,750 explore and see if there were beds and 436 00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,260 she did find them 437 00:23:07,810 --> 00:23:05,360 she's proceeding down the hall now and 438 00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:07,820 if you want to follow me it's dark on 439 00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:10,940 the right and on the left it is 440 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:13,630 extremely quiet there is no one there 441 00:23:20,740 --> 00:23:16,610 you can see that there was mayhem there 442 00:23:24,779 --> 00:23:20,750 was broken furniture and she entered a 443 00:23:27,789 --> 00:23:24,789 room that had about a dozen beds and 444 00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:27,799 she's just a child she didn't realize it 445 00:23:34,690 --> 00:23:30,320 was a place where the nuns probably 446 00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:34,700 slept and into that room she entered and 447 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:37,280 the only light she had was the light 448 00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:40,010 that was coming outside from the 449 00:23:44,140 --> 00:23:42,830 nighttime air all right Adelle I'm gonna 450 00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,150 have to have you hold it right there 451 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:45,679 we're gonna have to have a cliffhanger 452 00:23:50,590 --> 00:23:48,890 because we have to go to our bottom of 453 00:23:52,750 --> 00:23:50,600 the hour break when we come back and 454 00:24:04,049 --> 00:23:52,760 then we'll finish to your story on 455 00:24:10,779 --> 00:24:08,200 now back to exploring the bazaars with 456 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:10,789 two of the most electrifying researchers 457 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:14,090 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky 458 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:18,890 Lee panting Swift's alright welcome back 459 00:24:24,970 --> 00:24:20,690 to exploring the bazaar our guest 460 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:24,980 tonight is Adele Roca and she was in the 461 00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:29,690 process of telling a story from her book 462 00:24:34,539 --> 00:24:32,960 and so Adele just keep keep on going I 463 00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:34,549 know everybody's anxious to hear what 464 00:24:38,380 --> 00:24:35,179 happened here 465 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:38,390 okay the cliffhanger and we're back so 466 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:40,610 before the break I was talking about 467 00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,770 this child it was about maybe seven or 468 00:24:48,490 --> 00:24:44,960 eight years old at the time she's 469 00:24:51,580 --> 00:24:48,500 walking down the hallway of a cloister 470 00:24:55,630 --> 00:24:51,590 that has been ransacked by the Japanese 471 00:24:58,539 --> 00:24:55,640 during the war at this point she enters 472 00:25:01,630 --> 00:24:58,549 a room and notices that it's a communal 473 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:01,640 bedroom for four nuns she doesn't know 474 00:25:09,580 --> 00:25:05,570 that of course but there is one maybe 475 00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:09,590 ten or a dozen beds in the room and it 476 00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:11,960 is surrounded by windows that are open 477 00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:14,990 to the night and we're talking late at 478 00:25:20,740 --> 00:25:19,070 night it is now at this point dark and 479 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:20,750 the only light that you're going to get 480 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:22,970 is the ambient light that was coming in 481 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:25,490 through those windows the child then 482 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:28,610 proceeds to take one of the beds I mean 483 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:30,049 it's very welcoming you could just 484 00:25:35,529 --> 00:25:33,770 imagine having walked you know it was 485 00:25:37,060 --> 00:25:35,539 like a death march trying to walk 486 00:25:39,130 --> 00:25:37,070 through the forest trying to walk 487 00:25:43,810 --> 00:25:39,140 through the woods trying to avoid being 488 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:43,820 detected by soldiers and she was just a 489 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:45,650 child and she was just trudging along 490 00:25:50,919 --> 00:25:47,690 and they were all hungry and everything 491 00:25:53,140 --> 00:25:50,929 so she's exhausted so the beds are 492 00:25:55,570 --> 00:25:53,150 welcoming even though she's alone she 493 00:26:00,220 --> 00:25:55,580 just dashes to the very last one by the 494 00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:00,230 window and lies down and before you know 495 00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,220 it she's asleep by the way this is the 496 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:06,799 account of the actual person who is now 497 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:08,510 an older woman much older woman 498 00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:11,210 obviously 499 00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:16,240 and she awakens in the dead of night and 500 00:26:23,529 --> 00:26:20,390 turns away she had her back turned away 501 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:23,539 and facing the window that was next to 502 00:26:31,710 --> 00:26:26,720 her she awakens and has a sense that 503 00:26:39,490 --> 00:26:31,720 there's someone approaching behind her 504 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:39,500 so she turns in the bed and lying lying 505 00:26:47,230 --> 00:26:42,890 down she attempts to look through the 506 00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:47,240 darkness and something has come in into 507 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:50,630 the room from the door that she had 508 00:26:56,830 --> 00:26:53,529 entered on the further side of the room 509 00:26:59,260 --> 00:26:56,840 so it's approaching her and the first 510 00:27:05,730 --> 00:26:59,270 thing she notices is that it's gliding 511 00:27:10,659 --> 00:27:05,740 and she just feels this tremendous fear 512 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:10,669 this paralyzing fear and she feels 513 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:15,890 paralyzed and rooted to the bed her 514 00:27:23,889 --> 00:27:21,289 throat locks she's unable to scream at 515 00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:23,899 this point her mother who is somewhere 516 00:27:33,850 --> 00:27:29,980 downstairs doesn't know where she is and 517 00:27:38,350 --> 00:27:33,860 whatever this creature is is steadily 518 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:38,360 coming closer and closer to her it 519 00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:40,610 doesn't make a noise it's completely 520 00:27:49,299 --> 00:27:44,720 silent and as it takes shape coming 521 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:49,309 closer to her she realizes it's a nun 522 00:27:56,590 --> 00:27:53,330 and that nun is dressed in a black garb 523 00:28:01,779 --> 00:27:56,600 like you know most nuns did at the time 524 00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:01,789 and it was wearing its traditional veil 525 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:07,360 and she was unable to see a face 526 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:11,690 underneath the hood where the face 527 00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,850 should be so she sits up she's able to 528 00:28:24,970 --> 00:28:19,279 break free from the bed and she's now 529 00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:24,980 sitting up and suddenly it's just flying 530 00:28:32,049 --> 00:28:28,130 at her and thence when she realized it 531 00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:32,059 had no feet it had such a malevolent 532 00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:36,470 look of anger it was there so that's 533 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:39,049 rough no fit no feet that's pretty rough 534 00:28:52,299 --> 00:28:46,730 and it approaches her and takes its hand 535 00:28:58,330 --> 00:28:52,309 which was in a fist and hits her solidly 536 00:29:03,210 --> 00:28:58,340 on her thigh and then at that point she 537 00:29:05,259 --> 00:29:03,220 screams start screaming and screaming 538 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:05,269 whatever it was 539 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:09,850 turns and disappears just simply 540 00:29:20,980 --> 00:29:17,049 disappears and she feels this chill and 541 00:29:25,169 --> 00:29:20,990 she's crying and finally she is able to 542 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:25,179 bolt from the bed she's running running 543 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:28,570 dashes out of the room down the hallway 544 00:29:34,629 --> 00:29:32,090 she can now hear her siblings and her 545 00:29:39,399 --> 00:29:34,639 own mother yelling for her you know 546 00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:39,409 she's awakened them and she finally gets 547 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:43,460 downstairs meets up with her mother who 548 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:46,250 had wondered where she had gone and 549 00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:49,250 apparently she has done this before 550 00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:54,070 and and she was fine and as the mother 551 00:30:01,000 --> 00:29:57,440 was looking and examining her she was 552 00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:01,010 telling her she had been hit she looks 553 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:04,070 at her thigh and she had the mark of a 554 00:30:13,289 --> 00:30:08,210 huge ring now I'm going to tell you this 555 00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:13,299 when I went to school at private school 556 00:30:22,990 --> 00:30:20,480 for girls and it was run by nuns it was 557 00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:23,000 the order of st. Paul's and I do know 558 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:26,000 that when they are ordained whatever 559 00:30:33,940 --> 00:30:29,450 that process is they're given a ring to 560 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:33,950 wear usually the rings either have a 561 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:37,890 cross on them or maybe the face of 562 00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:40,050 st. something that has something to do 563 00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:42,600 with their the name that they're given 564 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:46,200 when they're ordained as nuns this ring 565 00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:49,050 had something very sinister on its face 566 00:30:58,580 --> 00:30:53,070 and whatever it is left an imprint on 567 00:31:02,920 --> 00:30:58,590 her thigh yeah whatever it whatever it 568 00:31:06,530 --> 00:31:02,930 is well can you can you describe it 569 00:31:10,550 --> 00:31:06,540 what she told me was that it was 570 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:10,560 definitely not a cross but it looked 571 00:31:18,380 --> 00:31:16,010 like it was some kind of a symbol but 572 00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:18,390 her mother didn't know what it was she 573 00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:21,030 didn't know what it was it didn't 574 00:31:29,710 --> 00:31:25,190 disappear until she was in her early 20s 575 00:31:32,330 --> 00:31:29,720 mm-hmm III did did you I mean did 576 00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:32,340 someone to describe this to you so that 577 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:34,380 you could go and let's say look it up on 578 00:31:39,860 --> 00:31:36,210 the internet and see if we could find a 579 00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:39,870 symbol that was similar not really what 580 00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:43,440 I was told was that it was a huge ring 581 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:46,230 and they had like a flat circular 582 00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:50,730 surface and on there was where the 583 00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:53,910 design was you know I wasn't thinking 584 00:32:02,590 --> 00:31:57,110 are we thinking of something satanic I 585 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:02,600 don't know I don't know whether it was a 586 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:08,130 mark that kind of like tagged her so to 587 00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:14,930 speak and and her life became difficult 588 00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:20,100 from that point on it took a turn and in 589 00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:23,160 retrospect you know she's now an elderly 590 00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:27,000 woman and when she recounted this she 591 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:29,510 recounted all the events that unfolded 592 00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:34,290 since that particular occurrence and 593 00:32:39,770 --> 00:32:37,260 what is interesting is that after they 594 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:39,780 got out of that area and liberabit 595 00:32:46,790 --> 00:32:42,930 liberation they came they all reunited 596 00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:46,800 and her father who came out of the war 597 00:32:51,919 --> 00:32:50,880 survived the war and they built a house 598 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:51,929 the family 599 00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:54,450 did in that little town of San Juan that 600 00:33:01,879 --> 00:32:59,340 I had mentioned before yeah but it 601 00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:01,889 continues because the house that they 602 00:33:10,129 --> 00:33:06,360 had built was built on unblessed ground 603 00:33:12,169 --> 00:33:10,139 as they would call it it had Japanese 604 00:33:14,869 --> 00:33:12,179 soldiers that had been buried there and 605 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:14,879 no one even knew their remains were 606 00:33:24,009 --> 00:33:18,690 there until all these hauntings started 607 00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:24,019 to happen so it was a string of events 608 00:33:32,350 --> 00:33:28,399 where by the time she was in her 20s 609 00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:32,360 finally you know the tragedy had already 610 00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:37,919 unfolded for her family mmm you know it 611 00:33:42,580 --> 00:33:40,230 just kind of you talk about this 612 00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,590 branding and all you know there's this 613 00:33:46,609 --> 00:33:44,460 case that's been getting a lot of 614 00:33:51,369 --> 00:33:46,619 attention and the press where there's 615 00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:51,379 somebody who have had a kind of like a 616 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:55,529 cult and they had started in upstate New 617 00:34:00,499 --> 00:33:57,690 York and that they were branding the 618 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:00,509 women that belonged to the to the group 619 00:34:05,869 --> 00:34:01,730 I guess showed that they were 620 00:34:08,569 --> 00:34:05,879 possessions or something to that you 621 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:08,579 know in fact that does seem to be rather 622 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:11,609 rare though I well we do have cases of 623 00:34:16,819 --> 00:34:13,770 course and even in you know in exorcisms 624 00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:16,829 and all we're appalled the guys have 625 00:34:21,619 --> 00:34:19,500 left some kind of markings on the body I 626 00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:21,629 don't know if it's a brand made with a 627 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:24,030 ring necessarily but I remember actually 628 00:34:29,299 --> 00:34:27,089 reading of a case there might even be a 629 00:34:31,339 --> 00:34:29,309 book out on this of a case in the 630 00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,349 Philippines where there's a young woman 631 00:34:36,109 --> 00:34:33,599 I think she was in her late teens or 632 00:34:39,289 --> 00:34:36,119 early twenties claim that she was being 633 00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:39,299 attacked by an invisible spirit and the 634 00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,700 the the the law or the police thought 635 00:34:47,059 --> 00:34:44,159 she was just either making it up or you 636 00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,069 know scratching or marking herself for 637 00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:50,159 attention but even in the the squad car 638 00:34:55,069 --> 00:34:53,460 on the way to the police station as she 639 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:55,079 apparently was being attacked by some 640 00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,210 sort of invisible force and they put her 641 00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,000 inside of you know cell for her own 642 00:35:04,339 --> 00:35:02,400 protection and they the marks continued 643 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:04,349 to you know like growing like she was 644 00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:05,610 being 645 00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:11,400 of I it's strange but it certainly does 646 00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:14,640 happen in fact I guess when you get down 647 00:35:21,830 --> 00:35:18,180 to down to it some of these cases are 648 00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:21,840 just truly bizarre they don't you know 649 00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:23,840 they don't seem to fit in with any 650 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:27,300 pattern they just kind of you know with 651 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:30,330 cases amongst themselves and you kind of 652 00:35:35,330 --> 00:35:32,970 study them and keep you know tabs on 653 00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:35,340 them to see if anything else I shows up 654 00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:39,420 of a similar nature but you say now was 655 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:42,420 the entire family under some sort of 656 00:35:48,110 --> 00:35:45,330 attack a psychic attack or spell or I 657 00:35:50,540 --> 00:35:48,120 didn't know the Occident 658 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,550 I think that it's interesting because 659 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:53,520 this is a Roman Catholic nation I would 660 00:35:58,340 --> 00:35:56,250 say 99% of the people there because of 661 00:36:01,870 --> 00:35:58,350 the Spanish influence was Roman Catholic 662 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:01,880 so they actually were religious people 663 00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:04,770 this young child didn't grow up to be as 664 00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:06,840 religious as the rest of her siblings 665 00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:09,420 cuz she was rebellious she was different 666 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:12,300 she you know she took risks worse the 667 00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,090 siblings will basically listen to their 668 00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,000 parents but it seemed like as soon as 669 00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,400 they moved into this brand-new home that 670 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:22,320 was built from the ground right after 671 00:36:28,340 --> 00:36:25,050 the war then the hauntings started I 672 00:36:31,610 --> 00:36:28,350 mean they would see this creature and I 673 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:31,620 would call him mumbo-jumbo he would be 674 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:33,930 sitting in the backyard with glowing red 675 00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:37,050 eyes and you could see that whoever it 676 00:36:42,380 --> 00:36:40,140 was it was bipedal it was humanoid it 677 00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:42,390 was sitting hunched on the ground and 678 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:45,000 you know in the Philippines is common to 679 00:36:50,090 --> 00:36:47,330 hire servants who actually lived there 680 00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:50,100 you know they sleep there they have 681 00:36:55,460 --> 00:36:52,710 Sundays off and when they would go out 682 00:36:58,220 --> 00:36:55,470 and feed the animals feed the cats in 683 00:37:01,790 --> 00:36:58,230 this case they would see this thing and 684 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:01,800 it's like a full-body apparition glaring 685 00:37:07,580 --> 00:37:05,490 right at them with red eyes and some of 686 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:07,590 them have described it as very gaunt as 687 00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:11,010 if it had starved to death so that's one 688 00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:13,140 of the things that haunts the backyard 689 00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,190 another one is a shadow creature there's 690 00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:19,200 like a semblance of that purse 691 00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:22,420 standing right outside the window so 692 00:37:26,249 --> 00:37:23,980 that when you're looking out the window 693 00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,259 in the dark you would see it to your 694 00:37:30,509 --> 00:37:28,079 writer to your left and it's usually 695 00:37:34,410 --> 00:37:30,519 smoking so you would see a trail of 696 00:37:36,269 --> 00:37:34,420 smoke and you would get this feeling of 697 00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:36,279 dread and a sense that you're being 698 00:37:41,849 --> 00:37:38,950 watched so you know when you hear about 699 00:37:43,529 --> 00:37:41,859 stories that open you know it feels like 700 00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:43,539 you're being watched said so I said this 701 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:45,910 is definitely a house that is like that 702 00:37:54,529 --> 00:37:50,170 and literally almost every room has some 703 00:37:58,079 --> 00:37:54,539 kind of anomaly going on with it 704 00:38:01,470 --> 00:37:58,089 so go ahead well I was just I was going 705 00:38:06,289 --> 00:38:01,480 to say I found the the story about 706 00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:06,299 detling and Desmond very fascinating 707 00:38:16,769 --> 00:38:11,200 yeah yes yes and well and also what led 708 00:38:19,620 --> 00:38:16,779 up to their appearance and and to this 709 00:38:21,779 --> 00:38:19,630 day I wonder what brought them on and 710 00:38:25,049 --> 00:38:21,789 it's interesting you know that you bring 711 00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:25,059 that up because these creatures and I 712 00:38:31,499 --> 00:38:27,880 call them nature spirits 713 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:31,509 I believe that's what they are they're 714 00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:34,930 small in size and I believe they lived 715 00:38:41,279 --> 00:38:38,529 in the backyard there's a story in the 716 00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:41,289 book - about a creature that came out of 717 00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,230 a mound that was in the woman's you know 718 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:47,200 back yard as well and this one is very 719 00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:49,210 similar the difference though is that 720 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:53,470 they look like small children you know 721 00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:55,450 from what I understand they're only 3 to 722 00:39:01,950 --> 00:38:58,720 4 inches in size and they would climb up 723 00:39:06,329 --> 00:39:01,960 on the windowsill with what was a 724 00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:06,339 nursery in the back of the house and it 725 00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:08,470 seemed like they were engaged in 726 00:39:13,489 --> 00:39:10,660 chattering with each other they would be 727 00:39:17,579 --> 00:39:13,499 entertaining and they carried these 728 00:39:21,299 --> 00:39:17,589 almost like gold coins now if you think 729 00:39:25,759 --> 00:39:21,309 about you know the folk Lord Irish 730 00:39:29,279 --> 00:39:25,769 folklore about elves with the leprechaun 731 00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:29,289 carrying a bag of coins this is very 732 00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:35,720 the idea behind it might be something 733 00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:39,100 universally seen not just in an Asian 734 00:39:46,110 --> 00:39:42,640 country but also you know in places like 735 00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:46,120 Ireland or in Scotland so it it is 736 00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:48,430 interesting and this one is different 737 00:39:53,850 --> 00:39:50,980 though because there's no sense of fear 738 00:39:55,890 --> 00:39:53,860 attached to them in the sense that 739 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:55,900 they're just kind of I guess they just 740 00:40:00,960 --> 00:39:57,610 live there they live on the ground 741 00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:00,970 they're benign creatures and there's an 742 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:04,060 entertaining facet to them almost like 743 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:08,850 they just want to be seen to entertain 744 00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:11,710 do you think that there was any kind of 745 00:40:19,170 --> 00:40:14,710 connection between them and the what 746 00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:19,180 appeared to be a UFO sighting a little 747 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:23,320 bit earlier in the book I think you're 748 00:40:27,570 --> 00:40:25,930 talking about the one with the actually 749 00:40:29,580 --> 00:40:27,580 the owner of the house 750 00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:29,590 yeah the burning moon I think so yeah 751 00:40:37,950 --> 00:40:34,140 yeah well I don't know that they're 752 00:40:41,310 --> 00:40:37,960 associated as much as it happened in the 753 00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:41,320 same dwelling this one happened on the 754 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:44,950 second floor and I'll recount it for the 755 00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:47,410 benefit of the listeners in this 756 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:51,760 particular chapter the woman who the 757 00:40:59,460 --> 00:40:54,970 same one who fled all the way north to 758 00:41:03,180 --> 00:40:59,470 escape the Japanese she was retiring to 759 00:41:04,530 --> 00:41:03,190 bed and once again it's late at night 760 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:04,540 you know people eat dinner in the 761 00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:06,970 Philippines pretty late you know 7:30 8 762 00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:10,540 o'clock 8:30 she was intent on maybe 763 00:41:16,650 --> 00:41:12,520 doing some knitting or reading or things 764 00:41:21,540 --> 00:41:16,660 of that nature when she saw an extremely 765 00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:21,550 bright light and the first thought she 766 00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:23,830 had was Shima we must have a full moon 767 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:28,480 up there and and I'm telling you Tim it 768 00:41:34,980 --> 00:41:30,970 was much brighter than that from what 769 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:34,990 she told me it was so bright it was 770 00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:38,770 above the roof of the house and it lit 771 00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:43,360 up the yard beneath the house around the 772 00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:44,560 house 773 00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:48,070 so she then proceeded to come towards 774 00:41:55,710 --> 00:41:51,180 the window to determine the origin of 775 00:41:59,100 --> 00:41:55,720 the light and it's a casement window so 776 00:42:02,640 --> 00:41:59,110 she climbs up on this casement window 777 00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,650 which is pretty deep and it had wrought 778 00:42:09,590 --> 00:42:05,460 iron on it and so she was leaning 779 00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:09,600 attempting to look over the overhang and 780 00:42:16,290 --> 00:42:12,520 you know dwellings in the Philippines 781 00:42:19,530 --> 00:42:16,300 way back then had these roofs that would 782 00:42:23,310 --> 00:42:19,540 really jut out much further out simply 783 00:42:24,990 --> 00:42:23,320 because you get a lot of monsoons a lot 784 00:42:27,450 --> 00:42:25,000 of rains that are pretty strong and 785 00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,460 windy you know during a certain season 786 00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:30,400 and you don't want the rain coming in so 787 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:32,260 they built the roof so that it would 788 00:42:38,010 --> 00:42:35,530 shut out you know just as protection 789 00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:38,020 from the weather so here here she is 790 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:41,830 she's she's sitting on the windowsill 791 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:46,210 she's leaning over trying to see what is 792 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:51,130 that you know it's so bright is the moon 793 00:42:54,810 --> 00:42:53,170 really that full and when you think 794 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:54,820 about a full moon I mean we've had the 795 00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:56,170 full moons here recently 796 00:43:01,770 --> 00:42:58,690 you know the Harvest Moon and the 797 00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:01,780 whatever they call it the I guess it's 798 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:03,910 called a red moon or something it was 799 00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:05,890 like blood wolf moon dad 800 00:43:12,450 --> 00:43:09,280 yeah the Blood Moon and it's it's bright 801 00:43:14,910 --> 00:43:12,460 yes but she said it was just really 802 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:14,920 bright that it seemed like it was 803 00:43:20,490 --> 00:43:18,010 sunlight so to make a long story short 804 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:20,500 she was leaning over leaning her finally 805 00:43:27,090 --> 00:43:23,530 she gave up and then she was overtaken 806 00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:27,100 by a sense of exhaustion she she was 807 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:30,660 just so tired she just wanted to sleep 808 00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:36,610 so she climbs off the window goes back 809 00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:39,910 to the bed lies down and is just so 810 00:43:47,850 --> 00:43:43,990 exhausted she falls asleep and you know 811 00:43:49,830 --> 00:43:47,860 I would think if that was me or maybe 812 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:49,840 someone else that if you saw something 813 00:43:54,570 --> 00:43:52,570 that strange you would emerge from the 814 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:54,580 bedroom run downstairs tell the people 815 00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:56,050 downstairs there's something out there 816 00:44:00,590 --> 00:43:58,260 did you see it yadda-yadda-yadda 817 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:00,600 you know let's go out into the you know 818 00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:02,250 into the yard and take a look and see if 819 00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:06,660 we but she didn't for some reason she 820 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:09,300 was just so overwhelmed by exhaustion at 821 00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:12,450 this point that she just lay down and 822 00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:15,540 she fell asleep and the next thing she 823 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:19,140 knew she woke up and it was morning mmm 824 00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:22,170 she gets out of bed she cut goes over to 825 00:44:28,310 --> 00:44:24,510 the door opens the door and her oldest 826 00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:28,320 daughter is just passing by and you know 827 00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:30,300 says good morning to her you know they 828 00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:33,270 were starting to prepare breakfast she 829 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:36,720 said what happened to you and she said 830 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:38,490 to her daughter I don't know I'm not 831 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:41,810 feeling well and she's like you got 832 00:44:50,410 --> 00:44:47,130 sunburn your face is all red and she was 833 00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:50,420 telling her eyes were also hurting so 834 00:44:56,510 --> 00:44:54,119 they then proceeded downstairs you know 835 00:44:59,920 --> 00:44:56,520 they're sitting at breakfast and and she 836 00:45:03,859 --> 00:44:59,930 starts to get really nauseous she's 837 00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:03,869 feeling really dizzy and she ends up at 838 00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:08,400 the doctor's the doctor tells her she's 839 00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:13,020 got first-degree burns and what seemed 840 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:15,150 like you know she had some kind of 841 00:45:24,830 --> 00:45:22,650 radiation exposure it's amazing and we 842 00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:24,840 just managed to talk about just a couple 843 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:29,070 of many fascinating stories that's 844 00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:31,170 that's in your book and unfortunately we 845 00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:33,060 only have a couple of minutes left in 846 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:35,070 our program so why don't you let our 847 00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:36,930 audience know again the name of your 848 00:45:41,810 --> 00:45:39,960 book and where they can find it and also 849 00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:41,820 you know where they can find you online 850 00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:45,119 as well okay well the name of the book 851 00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:48,119 is portal a lifetime of paranormal 852 00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:52,140 experiences it is available on Kindle 853 00:45:59,690 --> 00:45:57,510 and paperback on Amazon and you can find 854 00:46:00,920 --> 00:45:59,700 me on Facebook under my name adèle 855 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:00,930 Casals Rocha 856 00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:03,930 I'm also on Instagram where you can 857 00:46:10,220 --> 00:46:07,260 follow me on Twitter and the handle is 858 00:46:14,589 --> 00:46:10,230 both my dogs at Fox 859 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:14,599 with an letter n and Rosana ro sa and na 860 00:46:21,859 --> 00:46:18,210 so that's how you would find me and 861 00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:21,869 Amazon is the source of the book right 862 00:46:29,329 --> 00:46:26,430 fantastic excellent book do it very very 863 00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:29,339 yeah just it just roll one page rolls 864 00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:32,190 right after another I mean it's a it's 865 00:46:37,310 --> 00:46:34,920 it has drama in it I mean a lot of ghost 866 00:46:40,180 --> 00:46:37,320 books and in weird books and things like 867 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:40,190 that they don't your case histories but 868 00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:42,810 this this has this has drama well you 869 00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:44,760 can tell that you you know you've had 870 00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,619 experience as a script writer in order 871 00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,440 to because it it just flows anyway I 872 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:51,119 want to thank you for being thank you 873 00:46:57,140 --> 00:46:54,810 for being on and don't forget to check 874 00:46:59,060 --> 00:46:57,150 out the archives of all our past shows 875 00:47:02,780 --> 00:46:59,070 you can find them on our YouTube channel 876 00:47:05,780 --> 00:47:02,790 which is 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UFOs secret files I think 877 00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,790 Tim we're almost up to 400 interviews 878 00:47:09,770 --> 00:47:07,200 they were around there I mean some 879 00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:09,780 really exciting material some of the 880 00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,670 best guests some of the the best shows 881 00:47:16,940 --> 00:47:13,920 and the paranormal and we will continue 882 00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:16,950 to bring our listeners up-to-date on 883 00:47:22,819 --> 00:47:20,329 this very magical and mystical field 884 00:47:24,260 --> 00:47:22,829 well and Adelle thank you very much for 885 00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,270 being with us tonight - thank you 886 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:26,880 pleasure having you and pleasure reading 887 00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:29,130 your book so good night to you good 888 00:47:34,339 --> 00:47:31,980 night Tim good night to our audience and 889 00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:34,349 Thank You Athena and the Peter and Helen 890 00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:37,800 and Carole and everybody who makes the 891 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:40,859 show and all our work possible and of 892 00:47:45,620 --> 00:47:43,890 course you can check us out also on 893 00:47:49,370 --> 00:47:45,630 Amazon we've got about three hundred 894 00:47:56,190 --> 00:47:52,200 you've been listening to exploring the 895 00:47:59,460 --> 00:47:56,200 bazaar with hosts Timothy Becky panty 896 00:48:02,340 --> 00:47:59,470 Swartz they're taking back the night by 897 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:02,350 jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 898 00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:04,930 search of the truly bizarre and totally 899 00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:08,740 unexplained with you as their cold 900 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:11,220 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 901 00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,730 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 902 00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:16,960 radio 903 00:48:22,589 --> 00:48:19,390 for more information on exploring the 904 00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:22,599 bazaars and hosts Timothy Beckley and 905 00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:25,119 Tim Swartz check out their kco our 906 00:48:34,349 --> 00:48:28,300 digital radio network follow their 907 00:48:45,390 --> 00:48:34,359 YouTube channel @m our UFO 1100 explore